Had a long twitter conversation after replying to someone's tweet. sorry friends >< Anyway, since I'm too lazy to reorganize this to one coherent post which I'm obviously terrible at. Was pretty challenging considering the character limit of twitter, and not wanting to throttle tweetdeck with multiple entries of our opinionated discussion. so here's it all

Just clarifications first. I don't intend to have this be a good guy-bad guy convo in any way. Just strong opinions put across. No one's right or wrong, just lessons yet to be learnt. Hope the convo pasted below does not offend anyone.

Stupid parents. Think they know everything. So what if you gave life to us; we ain't your slave.

dun be surprised we might all become like that one day. What we think we'd never be, is something what we end up being.

I know but... sometimes when I look at parents stopping their children from being who they wanna be, it's just really depressing

Have you ever wonder that by raising up children and loving them, they had to give up being who they wanted to be?

they do that because they are willing, excluding those parents who have "accidents". Who would want bearing children as a chore?
taking care of children might not be easy but it doesn't mean that you can control what you want your child to be as an adult.

Yea, but now I'd ask you, if they sacrificed their dreams willingly because they love you, how much would that mean to you?

then I think it isnt a good excuse; if you want to do something, do it willingly. Don't use it as a threat.
well, it would mean the world to me that they took time to bring me to the world but they still can't dictate our life.

Just my humble opinion, but it doesn't seem to mean much. More of just a comparison to what they've done and what you want.

I just feel they should respect the child's decision. If the child wants to be an artist, you can't force him to be a lawyer.
you can only go so far without passion. If you force yourself to do something you don't love, is it still worth it? I say no.

I agree, but if circumstances dictates, how much would you sacrifice of your own, in worth of your parents' sacrifice?

depends. I won't sacrifice everything just because they want me to. I will have to see their views if they are reasonable or not

Reason doesn't always work well with love. Ever wondered if your parents had to take a sucky job to bring in money for food?

hmmmm that's a different story. If that happens, I'll treat them with more respect and will give back more. Sacrifice more.

Why not ask them? And is your love for your parents conditional? Depending on what you've seen and know them to have done?
What if parents went, "if this kid grows up to be a good, I'll love him more. If not then maybe it's not reasonably worth it."

I know my parents and how I'm too repay them. But i'm just saying, some parents have got to cut their children some slack.
Hey, That has happened before. Ever heard of how parents treat their haywired children or probably their gay sons?

Parents are humans too. They hurt us as much as we hurt them through our ungrateful ways. Both sides have their own shit man.

Yeah but sometimes, the sides aren't fair. Like parents beating up children for no reason. To say one of them

The sides will never be fair. And assuredly some parents have done great transgression on their responsibility over us.
As human as we all are, how many times have we all unreasonably hurt someone out of our own pissed attitudes. Words, actions.
A condescending word said out of anger can hurt as much as a slap to the face. And it doesnt have to be family. Friends too.

Meh. I guess, unreasonable is one of the traits of a human being.

like the way we children unreasonably demand shit from our parents like they owed us a living just becos they birthed us. ;)

It's a cycle...

Agreed totally. So now who's gonna take the first step to break it? Or we could all wait, hurt and hate.

Well, from similar experience, I might be that controlling parent but I won't take them for granted.

Then go ahead and make right. It isn't about how much they love you, but how much you love them :)

I know I've said quite a lot. But to really try understand what parents might have done. They probably had you in their 20's to 30's. And that's the prime of adulthood. They had dreams, ambitions, hobbies, and so will you. But for us children, whether or not they wanted to, they had to put aside their own desires, get a job, any kind, to bring money back to feed the family. Because they loved us.

Now as kids we'd demand our rights, our choices to do what we want, as though our parents owed us a living. but we'd never realized all the sacrifices our parents had made. After enjoying food on your table, a bed to sleep in, pocket money to buy the things you wants, all these without needing to do any work, is it that hard to understand why sometimes parents do "unreasonable" things. They gave up their life so we could live ours.

We as children could probably never reciprocate the price they paid, and yet we ask, no, demand more like its our right to live. How'd would you like if you paid for a homeless beggar's meals for one month and then he comes around to complain that the food sucks and it's making him look bad?

And heck do they even complain more than us about how unhappy or unfair life is ? It's mostly about our slipshod lives if they do. Even if we think we can survive living individually from them, we don't even know how much we're indirectly living off them. and it's seems parents are to blame for everything. For not giving enough, for being too controlling, for not being good enough. And when we're done and satisfied with what we have, we stomp all over them in a horribly disrespectful manner. Urgh.

And yes and if there's anything we rightfully deserve, it's for all we ungrateful children to be slapped for our arrogant manner and kicked out of the house for freeloading. Go live our own life independently as we so desire. But they never do, despite the shit we give them, because they love us more than we'd ever see and understand.

F*** us kids really. We'd never understand the depth of a parent's love until we become one ourselves.

(not that I'm one LOL)

Labels: love, thoughts

Had a long twitter conversation after replying to someone's tweet. sorry friends >< Anyway, since I'm too lazy to reorganize this to one coherent post which I'm obviously terrible at. Was pretty challenging considering the character limit of twitter, and not wanting to throttle tweetdeck with multiple entries of our opinionated discussion. so here's it all

Just clarifications first. I don't intend to have this be a good guy-bad guy convo in any way. Just strong opinions put across. No one's right or wrong, just lessons yet to be learnt. Hope the convo pasted below does not offend anyone.

Stupid parents. Think they know everything. So what if you gave life to us; we ain't your slave.

dun be surprised we might all become like that one day. What we think we'd never be, is something what we end up being.

I know but... sometimes when I look at parents stopping their children from being who they wanna be, it's just really depressing

Have you ever wonder that by raising up children and loving them, they had to give up being who they wanted to be?

they do that because they are willing, excluding those parents who have "accidents". Who would want bearing children as a chore?
taking care of children might not be easy but it doesn't mean that you can control what you want your child to be as an adult.

Yea, but now I'd ask you, if they sacrificed their dreams willingly because they love you, how much would that mean to you?

then I think it isnt a good excuse; if you want to do something, do it willingly. Don't use it as a threat.
well, it would mean the world to me that they took time to bring me to the world but they still can't dictate our life.

Just my humble opinion, but it doesn't seem to mean much. More of just a comparison to what they've done and what you want.

I just feel they should respect the child's decision. If the child wants to be an artist, you can't force him to be a lawyer.
you can only go so far without passion. If you force yourself to do something you don't love, is it still worth it? I say no.

I agree, but if circumstances dictates, how much would you sacrifice of your own, in worth of your parents' sacrifice?

depends. I won't sacrifice everything just because they want me to. I will have to see their views if they are reasonable or not

Reason doesn't always work well with love. Ever wondered if your parents had to take a sucky job to bring in money for food?

hmmmm that's a different story. If that happens, I'll treat them with more respect and will give back more. Sacrifice more.

Why not ask them? And is your love for your parents conditional? Depending on what you've seen and know them to have done?
What if parents went, "if this kid grows up to be a good, I'll love him more. If not then maybe it's not reasonably worth it."

I know my parents and how I'm too repay them. But i'm just saying, some parents have got to cut their children some slack.
Hey, That has happened before. Ever heard of how parents treat their haywired children or probably their gay sons?

Parents are humans too. They hurt us as much as we hurt them through our ungrateful ways. Both sides have their own shit man.

Yeah but sometimes, the sides aren't fair. Like parents beating up children for no reason. To say one of them

The sides will never be fair. And assuredly some parents have done great transgression on their responsibility over us.
As human as we all are, how many times have we all unreasonably hurt someone out of our own pissed attitudes. Words, actions.
A condescending word said out of anger can hurt as much as a slap to the face. And it doesnt have to be family. Friends too.

Meh. I guess, unreasonable is one of the traits of a human being.

like the way we children unreasonably demand shit from our parents like they owed us a living just becos they birthed us. ;)

It's a cycle...

Agreed totally. So now who's gonna take the first step to break it? Or we could all wait, hurt and hate.

Well, from similar experience, I might be that controlling parent but I won't take them for granted.

Then go ahead and make right. It isn't about how much they love you, but how much you love them :)

I know I've said quite a lot. But to really try understand what parents might have done. They probably had you in their 20's to 30's. And that's the prime of adulthood. They had dreams, ambitions, hobbies, and so will you. But for us children, whether or not they wanted to, they had to put aside their own desires, get a job, any kind, to bring money back to feed the family. Because they loved us.

Now as kids we'd demand our rights, our choices to do what we want, as though our parents owed us a living. but we'd never realized all the sacrifices our parents had made. After enjoying food on your table, a bed to sleep in, pocket money to buy the things you wants, all these without needing to do any work, is it that hard to understand why sometimes parents do "unreasonable" things. They gave up their life so we could live ours.

We as children could probably never reciprocate the price they paid, and yet we ask, no, demand more like its our right to live. How'd would you like if you paid for a homeless beggar's meals for one month and then he comes around to complain that the food sucks and it's making him look bad?

And heck do they even complain more than us about how unhappy or unfair life is ? It's mostly about our slipshod lives if they do. Even if we think we can survive living individually from them, we don't even know how much we're indirectly living off them. and it's seems parents are to blame for everything. For not giving enough, for being too controlling, for not being good enough. And when we're done and satisfied with what we have, we stomp all over them in a horribly disrespectful manner. Urgh.

And yes and if there's anything we rightfully deserve, it's for all we ungrateful children to be slapped for our arrogant manner and kicked out of the house for freeloading. Go live our own life independently as we so desire. But they never do, despite the shit we give them, because they love us more than we'd ever see and understand.

F*** us kids really. We'd never understand the depth of a parent's love until we become one ourselves.

(not that I'm one LOL)

Labels: love, thoughts